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there were people who who who talked to

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me

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were in a position to know firsthand uh

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a couple of them absolutely would have

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had first-hand knowledge of this who

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said that clarifying statements uh in

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terms of uh some of the uap statements

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that have been issued or in particular

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louis lozando's role with atip

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um

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they were

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provided to public affairs

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and yet they never came out and so

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at the end of the day public affairs

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even though it's been provided with

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employee a

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uh at the top of the food chain and all

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of this is gary reed and he has as the

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senior executive he has the authority to

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tell public affairs no that's not

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accurate that's not what we're going to

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say we're going to say this

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so you have that and i think that uh

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they're definitely

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i would say i heard from from more than

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a few

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people that i i trust i consider to be

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entirely reliable and absolutely have no

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doubt they were in positions to to know

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that information

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said that

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gary reed went out of his way to